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Pacing the Rollers

Wed, 03/25/2009 - 11:36am by Andy Shen

I got the idea to do this little experiment from interviewing Allen Lim. I had 5x6 threshold intervals one day and decided to try out different pacing strategies. The plan was to do the first interval at exactly 300 watts the whole time, then with each progressive interval add 20 watts to the ascents and subtract 20 watts from the descents. I rode the same exact rolling stretch of road, the Central Park loop from the north end to 74th street on the west side. I hoped to find out how much harder I could go on the climbs before I blew myself up and started slowing down.

Here's the profile:

Here's the power numbers for each run, along with normalized power and times.

 

 

Power

Normalized

Time

308 Watt Time

1

300 steady

294

294

5:56

5:50

2

20 +/-

307

307

5:41

5:41

3

40 +/-

319

322

5:29

5:33

4

60 +/-

307

317

5:32

5:32

5

80 +/-

309

324

5:40

5:40

I left runs 2, 4, and 5 as is, and crudely adjusted runs 1 and 3 to 308 watts. I subtracted 40 watts for rolling resistance, then calculated velocity by assuming it was cubically proportional to power. This doesn't account for gravitational resistance, but hey, that's the best I can do.

You can see how normalized power starts to deviate from actual power as the climbing power goes up. Perceived exertion matched the normalized numbers, too. The first two intervals were downright civilized, almost easy to do. Runs 3-5 got progressively harder, and by run 5 my thoughts were drowned out by my heavy breathing. It got increasingly harder to hold my target wattage on the downhills.

From the data it seems my sweet spot is around the +/- 50 watt area.

Here's the power and speed files from runs 1 (yellow), 4 (red), and 5 (blue).

The teal line in the power file is 300 watts. The 1st run (yellow) stays pretty close to 300 all the way through. The red line has peaks and valleys, the blue line even more so. I coasted a few times on the 5th run to simulate what would happen if you really blew up and couldn't pedal the descents.

The speed graph is the opposite of the power graph in that the yellow line (steady power) has more extreme peaks and valleys, while the blue line (+/- 80) is the flattest.

So?

There are two common reasons for hitting the climbs harder than the descents. One, you spend more time climbing than descending, assuming the course begins and ends at the same altitude. Two, you get more bang for your wattage buck at lower speeds, since air resistance increases as a square of velocity. The speed graphs, however, reveal a few more things.

The 4th run (red) was the fastest. Compared to the steady 300 watt run (yellow), I'd crest the rollers at a higher speed. The yellow run would be faster halfway down the descent, but the max speed at the bottom would be the same. Hitting the gas harder at the bottom on the red run preserved momentum longer, resulting in an apparent shift to the right on the graph.

Of course, only an idiot would ride a rolling course with steady power. Comparing the ideal run with the over eager 5th run shows what happens when you blow up and start to lose it.

This closeup of two of the rollers shows that if I climb too hard (blue) and have to coast on the descent I'll begin the next ascent 1-2 mph slower (a). And though I'd climb the next roller with more power and lose less momentum, I'd crest it going the same speed as the red run (b). In other words, I'd start the climb faster on the red run and crest the roller at the same speed as the blue run, while expending 20 less watts. Starting faster and ending just as fast = faster.

Part V, Epilogue

I hit the same stretch of road two days later armed with my new knowledge. I accelerated to crest each roller, then grabbed a little recovery by pedaling at 250 watts. I stepped on the gas just before each descent ended to pick up a couple mph's, then settled into a steady 350 watts going up. It was a real revelation, knowing exactly how hard to ride every part of the course. After a winter of training for power it was a real change to ride for speed and momentum, and being stingy with power.

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I just saw the Redlands
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:18pm

I just saw the Redlands results! I don't know Evie, but damn am I impressed! Awesome job.

Evie
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 5:24pm

Congrats Evie!!!!!!! Awesome ride!

Evelyn Stevens
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 4:45pm

14th in the Redlands Prologue. Awesome job!

Race broadcasted live!
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 3:35pm
Any update on RedLands?
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 3:19pm

????

no
By: schmalz
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 2:30pm

We are not the same person, we are the Shields and Yarnell of internets bike stuff.

My mediocrity scientifically
By: Andy Shen
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 12:43pm

My mediocrity scientifically proven again and again.

Start was a few hundred feet before start of Harlem hill.

Which threshold? Don't really know. I think I'm a little under 300 from the last test but I think I might be a bit over 300 now. I actually don't understand the physiological side and don't worry about it too much. As long as the power numbers go up for the same type of intervals I'm happy.

Schmalz/Shen the same dude?
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 12:40pm

I never see them both at the same time...and like Clark Kent/Superman, they seem to be alter egos. The Andy one is one of the better interviewers,and smartest/clearest thinking of any cycling writers and the Schmalz one is really funny.
Long live Andy Schmalz...or is that Dan Shen?

Very interesting: Start?
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 12:36pm

Andy,

Did you start at the base of Harlem hill or at the first roller after the decent? Also, are you usuing 1 hour max sustainable power as "threshold" (300W) or OBLA wattage (4Mmol)?

Swart

Lactate test?
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:53am

and scientifically prove my mediocrity?

Not!!

you could figure it out this way...
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:37am

... or you could just pay closer attention during races, because the same 10 people seem to keep smoking all the nerds with computers using this very same principal!

Nice job Andy
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:36am

exactly what I always say: let gravity be your friend, momentum is key.

I would love to have a
By: Andy Shen
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:26am

I would love to have a lactate/IQ test, to see how much of an iDot I become.

Or, how much MORE of an iDot...

Fauto is something like an
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:17am

Fauto is something like an idot?

Decreased bandwidth?
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 11:09am

Did you notice any loss of mental processing ability on your harder runs? On long TT's, especially those where proper line makes a difference like CP, I think concentraion is vital, and I tend to lose focus the more I go into the red. I can see myself weaving all over the road and losing time to bike handling errors while cross-eyed and drooling on my top tube. I know you have that particular track burned into your DNA by now, but if this were a new course you had only seen maybe one time, especially a more-technial one, can you imagine that there might be some benefit to staying more steady?

Ride hard, vomit, repeat.
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:34am

Ride hard, vomit, repeat. Best training method, ever.

Fauto Coppi would keel over
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:30am

Fauto Coppi would keel over if he read this. And if he wasn't dead.

only an idiot
By: Wheelsucker
Thu, 03/26/2009 - 10:04am

as you said only an idiot would do this.

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