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Tue, 09/04/2012 - 10:15pm by Andy Shen

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doping
By: Enzo Fork
Sun, 09/16/2012 - 9:58pm

Speaking of doping... I spotted David Anthony in Central Park this last Thursday flying thru the shortcut by the softball fields. A. He must have gotten over his misgivings about getting "carried away" with his cycling. B. He was wearing his B.H. kit, how do you feel about that B. H. guys. He must have been doing intervals because he was flying!

Can't we ban this guy from park races for life? I for one, don't want to be racing with people of his stature.

Que CERA CERA....
By: Ricky Ricardo
Sat, 09/15/2012 - 10:16am

Que CERA CERA....

FYI
By: Arthur Limit Screw
Fri, 09/14/2012 - 5:45pm

CERA is still illegal... and Michael Cera should be!

...remi o-ring...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 11:43pm

...ummm, is that an anagram for "lance's little buddy" ???...

...ohhh, really ???...the letters don't match up ???...my bad !!!...

...dyslexia-caly, with love, bgw...

seriously
By: truthiness
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 10:59pm

We haven't talked about anything else in weeks. This is how cycling is different than other sports. 2 major league stars get popped in a week, and the morning papers still talk about the wildcard race...cycling? no.

This just in:
By: Remi O-Ring
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 10:44pm

BGW Vomits Forth. NYV Jumps Shark.

plea bargain
By: bernie m
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 10:20pm

bernie madoff raised everyone's awareness regarding compulsive lying. why's everyone so angry at him?

i don't know about any one
By: for real
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 10:18pm

i don't know about any one else, but i'd never heard of this strange disease they call cancer before lance came along and so graciously raised my awareness as to its reality. certainly mitigates the fraud he otherwise is.

...guys, please...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 9:28pm

...let's not read between my lines...

...i'll go back to something i mentioned in an earlier "toto"...(fuck me, what happened to those cute little salvatore commesso, ham boned punch lines from a slightly more innocent past ???...ahhh, well)...

..."...i let cancer jesus pull the wool over my eyes for a long time & while 7 tours de france are quite incredible & yep, he has raised awareness of a nasty disease, he lied & cheated his way into the hearts & minds of the cycling & cancer communities to make his point..."...

...allow me to dissect but therein lies my partial take & please remember, i believe lance armstrong needs to be exposed for the fraud he is...

...7 tours de france = look back at the number of physical incidents that happened to various riders including cancer jesus during those 7 tours & statistically it's quite incredible that anyone pulled off that stunt, no matter what they took, no matter what favored status they were granted...determination & focus were major factors...

...i'm very aware that livestrong monies don't go to research...never have...but armstrong, vis-a-vis the "laf" HAS helped raise an awareness wherein being diagnosed with certain cancers needn't be quite as scary as in the past...some shit you're not gonna beat but the stigma of cancer has always been that the prognosis basically signified the end of life...
...the livestrong foundation DOES offer hope to patients & family & if not hope, an awareness that a certain dignity might be had in a terminal situation through quality of care...

...that being said, i fully agree that armstrong works the fucking system to his benefit like no one else's business, from what i can understand...tax shelters, perked lifestyle w/ the foundation's private jet & financed & justified by a visit here, a head pat there & ya, all based on being a "cancer celebrity"...

...it's essentially despicable but fully accepted in this day & age...that's why he can be CANCER JESUS - SUPERSTAR...

...i simply hope the world becomes fully aware of his antics in discrediting those who've known the truth all along & that includes tyler & floyd...don't ascribe to me that i feel sorry for 'em...these guys made there own bed & hadda sleep in it...it was "the way" at the time & if they can come clean, so much the better for them...

...bottom line......" he lied & cheated his way into the hearts & minds of the cycling & cancer communities..."...

...with pardons for a LONG post, love, bgw...

It's obvious why JE was mad
By: Kylian Sealant
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 8:07pm

It's obvious why JE was mad about pulla - pulla was using the boring old doping methods like EPO and testosterone, nothing innovative. He wasn't contributing to the advancement of science.

...somewhat amazed...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 7:37pm

...mr harris had to resort to bringing rape & incest into play during a discussion about morality, personal responsibility & somewhere in the background, cycling...

...i fail to see how the deeply disturbing emotions that must arise from those acts could factor whatsoever into discussing armstrong's ugly indiscretions...

...am i missing something that might logically be used to make a point ???...

...amidst sturm und drang, love bgw...

Great takedown of Eustice by
By: Marco Seatmast
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 3:28pm

Great takedown of Eustice by Katie Lambden on Facebook. This controversy about what constitutes doping versus legal advantage is bogus and a smoke bomb diversion to protect the doping culture. If he's the insider he claims to know about Armstrongs "advanced scientific techniques" he'd know enough to address the claims of Hamilton, Landis and Vaughters. With all the charges against Armstrong and others there's no thin line between doping and honest advantage. Eustice addresses none of this.

I'd call Eustice a liar but don't think he has the integrity left to distinguish truth from fantasy. He's really just making this stuff up.

Katie Lambden "Hematocrit the percentage of red blood cells vs. white? Nooooo, not quite. I'm not just being nitpicky: if you think about the actual definition of hematocrit - percent RBCs by volume of blood - and consider the UCI's legal limit of 50, then you realize that anyone pushing that legal limit HAS MORE CELLS than liquid in their blood. No wonder vascular events (strokes and heart attacks) tend to ensue. That fine line between science and doping, as drawn by those "draconian" doping agencies, is not so arbitrary: it's at least in part to protect the health of those athletes who'd otherwise stop at nothing in their push for the edge. I find it very odd that JE cited an incorrect definition of hematocrit; as a racer himself, wouldn't he have wanted to understand this very basic bit of science?"

Zmolik said it well on
By: Fight the power
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 12:43pm

Zmolik said it well on facebook:
So according to this ridiculous article by John Eustice http://ideas.time.com/2012/08/27/lance-armstrong-was-he-doping-or-experi...
doping is just: "using science to its limits to improve ones performance" and not really wrong at all.
I remember how "furious" John was when Melito Heredia tested positive at Univest GP, John's race.
So let me get this straight. Armstrong doping and making others dope is just pushing the science, but Heredia doping is a big deal?!
And why should any sponsor, or a clean rider ever want to support, or do one of John's races knowing his views on doping?!

Right back
By: Ken Harris
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 11:59am

I consider it analogous to JDE's irrelevant thesis, but more emphatic, that's the point. Both are appeals to emotion.

You want to debate the fuzzy, you and he should have been out front on this awhile ago, moreover, does not fit with JDE's anger at Pulla if the argument is about 'science.'

Debating the fuzzy after the fact is just a tactic to obscure. That is my assertion.

ken
By: truthiness
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 11:40am

red herring. and pathetic to distract with incest and rape. c'mon.

Contra Logitian
By: Ken Harris
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 10:37am

In terms of truthiness, let me feel this one at you:
Take, for example, incest.
Is marrying your second cousin incest? First cousin? What about raping her?
We don't need to have an argument about whether incest is a social construct or biological or both when the issue at hand is rape.

JDE makes the point poorly that the lines are ill-defined, but problem at hand is breaking of contracts and criminality such as lying under oath and witness tampering and bribery. Without doubt, where to draw the lines about what's doping and what's not is an interesting debate, but has no function now but to attempt to obscure the harsh reality.

Furthermore, since when has LA ever argued the lines are fuzzy?

BGW, the LAF doesn't
By: Noah Rim
Sun, 09/09/2012 - 9:06am

BGW, the LAF doesn't contribute a dime to cancer research. All they do is "Raise awareness". Ever have a relative or close friend who died of cancer? Consider yourself aware! Pay some attention to them for a while. Watch what events they have going on. Actually watch what they do. They do exactly two things. They hold events to raise money, and now, post-USADA, they back their leader in the media circus and political arena.

The LAF is Lance's personal tax shelter. Everywhere he travels, he does so in his private jet. Guess who pays for the jet fuel? Yep, the LAF. Hotel expenses too. All he has to do is visit a kid in the hospital for ten minutes, or ride with the event registrants (top donors only) for an hour here and there.

The guy has figured out how to make most Of his life expenses tie-in the the LAF. He is dirt.

This story has become
By: Dieter
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 9:09pm

This story has become tiresome, touch my monkey

bgw
By: truthiness
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 9:01pm

You are correct. Not a demigod, also not Satan. Crying for Tyler, Floyd, et al, is absurd. Finally (and please note that I will not address anything Mr. Harris wrote, as it is exactly the sort of non-argument I was referring to) the notion that he is the worst of the worst because he used his TdF victories/success, etc, to dupe the public, or sell them a bill of goods as some sort of nefarious conspiracy is silly. Yes, his success aided his business ventures, but he isn't selling anything as "here's how I did it, you can do it too." Your attacks sound like Republicans after Clinton got head from Monica. Wrong and stupid? Yes, of course. Totally negates everything else he has done? That's silly and infantile thinking. To be clear, I am no "fanboy," I hate LA. He is a doper and a cheat, a liar, and a bully. I am thankful that Livestrong helps a lot of people who need help in a country that hasn't offered a lot of support to cancer and cancer research pre-Lance.

The full dossier
By: Hugo Saddlesore
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 6:43pm

The full dossier wil be revealed....and when it is the spin machine will need some treatments from Dr. Ferrari to keep up. Marion Jones, Clemens, Bonds...the evidence there was kids stuff compared to the full Monty coming out on Lance. I''de almost feel bad for guy if he hadn't personally made over $140 million from his emotional Ponzi scheme and if he wasn't such a cat I douche.

...we can talk...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 5:41pm

...ethics & practices all day amongst ourselves but the bottom line here is that armstrong sold a "package" to the general public through his "livestrong foundation"...

...that package was bolstered 100% by his recovery & 7 tour wins & to this day, it thrives because the man or women on the street are willing to overlook his cheating as regards what they see as the common good...

...what they DO find hard to overlook, when it's pointed out & it needs to be a regular part of the conversation, are the machinations that armstrong used, by way of lawyers & negative publicity to threaten, attack, ridicule, vilify, denigrate & belittle those who were close to his sporting past, the ones who were willing to point out the truth...

...mike anderson, betsy & frankie, shelley, tyler, floyd &/or anyone else who dared speak that truth in the past have been made to seem like cranks, people with axes to grind but now, with the latest revelations about cancer jesus, superstar, the one thing i find the "interested observer" types are most disappointed by, is the fact that lance armstrong just might be an extremely nasty, vengeful & manipulative human being...

...cheat whilst offering succor to the needy & it's obvious you can remain golden but hopefully now, as the general public starts to get a taste of "the real" lance armstrong, not the "lawyered up" publicity machine, that pedestal he so loves will get crumbled...

...lance armstrong was a damn good bike racer but that's all he really was...history doesn't need to see him as a demigod...

...with love, bikesgonewild...

Euro Peloton
By: Jens Internal Routing
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 2:23pm

You guys are all idiots. The Lance ban will be upheld because the Euro Peloton has been well and truly clean of cheaters and drugs since 1903. No one took drugs, trains, or any other illegal measures. Lance is a victim I tell you!

Funny shit....high school science projects...
By: Cat4Forever
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 2:19pm

Lance doped, if he did dope, is doing it in the name of science. Either John is practicing high school journalism or Lance is experimenting with high school science projects. LOL So, where and what was the result of the scientific experiment? Was the result ever published in any major scientific journals? some sorts of high finance, secret science projects? Like I said, I no respects for John At ALL. Is obvious he has no futures in journalism. He does not even know how to ask the right questions......

Better question
By: Boycott Sparta
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 1:59pm

We now know Eustice reads this.
John, we all agree doping was prevalent among the pros even before Armstrong, even if it was just done for scientific purposes. What drugs were you using in the name of better science.

SOCIAL DARWINIST S
By: Amine Dropout
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 1:08pm

just a bunch of yentas

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21
By: Marco Seatmast
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:51am

http://stevetilford.com/?p=21549

An un-Eustice like post from Steve Tilford for a clean sport.

UCI vs USADA
By: Hugo Saddlesore
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:26am

I propose that when the UCI gets the USADA dosier on Pharmstrong they are going to uphold the ban. THEN they will proceed to hand out lengthy suspensions to every American rider who admitted to doping. I think the UCI is pissed at USADA for announcing the Armstrong ban without showing them the evidence.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/uci-suddenly-develops-intere...

John is some kind of hateful
By: Remi O-Ring
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 11:08am

fucking SOCIAL DARWINIST. Look it up.

logitian v Harris
By: liquiguts
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 10:52am

cliff notes:
those who can't do, teach.
those who can't copy edit, post.

truthiness
By: Ken Harris
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 10:32am

Dr/Mr teacher of logic, teach you informal or formal logic?

1) If the terms of your license as an athlete require you to abide by an anti-doping code, and you you dope, you are a cheat.

2) If you lie in court, witness tamper, destroy evidence, etc, you're a criminal.

3) If you promise people false hope with regard to illness, use money donated to help the ill to serve your personal self aggrandizement, and loudly and publicly lie about how you've achieved what you've achieved, you're a fraud and creep.

4) And if you don't sign your name, you're lame.

All these are not matters of logic, but of definition.

Eustice's conception of cutting edge shows little logical distinction from cutting the course. Regardless, the ongoing lack of clarity in the terms makes any attempted logical argument. See points 1&2.

Finally, JDE's logic seems to best be reduced to "we all did that kind of thing, this is what we did and do." Perhaps. I think we can do a lot better.

Eustice
By: Wout Wave Ring
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 8:55am

So many silly arguments in that piece...

If there were five drugs on the market that improved oxygen delivery, and all of them were banned, and you had access to a sixth which was not forbidden only because no one else knew about it, then yeah, you doped.

And, no one really had a choice? There are a lot of angry 40 year old guys who would disagree violently. Read Tilford's blog on Tommy D., and Meyerson's recent posts.

"Could the major scientific advancements in nutrition, recovery and aerodynamics that have allowed Britain’s Team Sky to become a cycling juggernaut in recent years someday be defined as doping?"

With regard to pills and supplements, there's a gray area, but with regard to nutrition and aerodynamics? No. Full stop.

My favorite, though:
"Should swallowing a tiny thermometer in a dangerous (yet legal) high-heat technique that forces the body to flood itself with the performance-enhancing hormone EPO — an approach Armstrong pioneered during his comeback — be considered a dastardly attempt to cheat or the cutting edge of scientific progress?"

YES IT'S FUCKING CHEATING ARE YOU SERIOUS

gene doping
By: Baptiste Headbadge
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 7:49am

gene doping is absolutely theoretically possible and genes have been inserted into other mammals routinely for more than 6-7 years now, the human genome is not that different. The genes "taxi" on virus to get in

http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/60564

Fuck your logic. Eusless is a
By: Giacomo Lorico
Sat, 09/08/2012 - 3:57am

Fuck your logic. Eusless is a serial doping apologist. My logic dictates he should keep his hole shut.

Can you teach me the logic of
By: Andy Shen
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:52pm

Can you teach me the logic of an internal thermometer raising body temperature which in turn floods the body with EPO and that's why his blood passport numbers from '09 and '10 indicate blood transfusions?

+1 for John E.
By: truthiness
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:41pm

Valid arguments, and I teach logic. You all, on the other hand, respond with personal attacks and juvenile responses. At least provide a counter argument. He is correct, the lines are sketchy, where will you draw them?

Just finished the Hamilton
By: Hugo Saddlesore
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:16pm

Just finished the Hamilton book. My conclusion...Dr. Ferrari is THE preeminent doping Dr. If you can secure his services, you have a chance of winning a grand tour. You can NOT secure his services as long as Lance is paying him for an exclusive. Now taking the best doping dr. off the open market is less than sporting. It is not a level playing field. If you told me that Lance's rivals all used Ferrari, I would agree that it was a level playing field. But Lance cock - blocked them. John Eustice is a bigger Lance apologist than Phil Ligget. If he walked in on Ferrari injecting Lance, he would swear it was only a flu shot, yet another way Lance was employing science to win the tour.

Mr. Eustice.
By: Mario Chain
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 10:49pm

John, Next time you write an Op-Ed, have a point. It makes it much more interesting for the reader.

Harlem...
By: Cat4Forever
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 10:44pm

I heard that some race officials were working for free for the Harlem 2012..... He won't see me there next year. Wondering which poor souls he would con into working for him. He probably thinks he is special like Lance and should be granted preferential treatments too... I am deeply regretted to knowing him.....

I think we're done posting
By: Andy Shen
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 10:04pm

I think we're done posting Harlem photos and promos. That was a terrible op ed.

varia
By: Ponce de la Yema
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 9:53pm

DNA doping is completely theoretical and probably always will be. Getting DNA past the immune system and into the human genome is only something viruses have figured out - humans have not.

Regarding the 'constitutionality' of USADA - that is silly and lazy thinking. If you join any organization, you play by their rules. For example, "No shirt, no shoes, no service". That has nothing to with the US Constitution. You join USADA and it's the same principle.

John's argument is wrong...
By: Cat4Forever
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 9:27pm

I have no love for John FYI. Is personal. However, his argument is that we should give some lead way to great athletes. Even to condone doping. That's pretty much his message. From my personal encounter with him, I sense that that's the kind of person he is. That's no fairness or honesty at all. In the Lance case, I think what the USADA is doing to him is wrong not because of John's reason. Because I believe the accusation is unconstitutional. I am looking at it from a legal standpoint, not because we give preferential treatments to Lance, like what John is arguing.

Isn't it time we boycott
By: Fight the power
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 7:35pm

Isn't it time we boycott Eustice events? This is shameful.

Rest assured. Any time
By: Giacomo Lorico
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 6:57pm

Rest assured. Any time Eustice makes a statement sowing seeds of doubt over a cyclists guilt, it's only a matter of time before he looks like a dumbass. The garbage he was spewing before Floyd came clean is even more hilarious now than it was then.

eliminate the doping
By: Jasper Kevlar
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 6:24pm

Impossible. DNA doping is on the near horizon.

Cycling's got to clean its
By: Marco Seatmast
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 6:11pm

Cycling's got to clean its act up and eliminate the doping culture if it wants to continue and getting rid of
people like John Eustice is part of the cleanupl.
I'd cite a shitload of evidence but John did a very good job in writing his own indictment.

Where is the UCI?
By: Jasper Bearing
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 6:05pm

Mr. Eustice, I think the UCI, and maybe WADA, needs to better define the boundary between science and doping. Currently, the focus seems to be on settling scores from the last decade.

Is there anyone who could lead the UCI and who would want to?

Does he think the thermometer
By: schmalz
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 4:40pm

Does he think the thermometer makes heat?

HGH EPO how quaint
By: Chinese athlete
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 4:28pm

HGH EPO how quaint

Really John... Really?
By: John Eustice
Fri, 09/07/2012 - 3:54pm

Where does science end and doping begin? Should swallowing a tiny thermometer in a dangerous (yet legal) high-heat technique that forces the body to flood itself with the performance-enhancing hormone EPO — an approach Armstrong pioneered during his comeback — be considered a dastardly attempt to cheat or the cutting edge of scientific progress? (More to the point, was this same technique powerful enough to prompt the spike in his 2009–10 blood profiles that the USADA is touting as its one bit of hard evidence against him?) Could the major scientific advancements in nutrition, recovery and aerodynamics that have allowed Britain’s Team Sky to become a cycling juggernaut in recent years someday be defined as doping?

Cycling is a 19th century sport that until very recently had little in the way of educated leadership. It is infamous for its primitive brutality. “Boxing meets horse racing” is my favorite description for it. Armstrong went to Europe in 1989 as a 19-year-old and spent the next 15 years conquering that pitiless world. He won his races by being smarter and tougher, training harder, enduring more pain and using science to its limits to improve his performance.

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/08/27/lance-armstrong-was-he-doping-or-experi...

Kingston Kush
By: Le Blaireau
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 8:21pm

I am still hoping that some more interesting stuff will come out about what goodies Lance was really on. If he had access to some really cutting edge BALCO-esque stuff...

Facts n figures
By: Wally Pipp
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 7:45pm

Only one conclusion can be reached after Armstrong-gate, Landis-gate, Hamilton-gate, Lisban-gate, DA-gate, etc etc etc, which is -- (ahem), "all cyclists are douches". And yes, I fall prey to the old adage "it takes one to know one". Good night douches.

...yep...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 7:30pm

...that "cadel"...

...the one interesting point that hamilton & coyle bring up as regards the playing field being not leveled by drug use but rather that the discrepancy only grew with the advantage going to the most "connected" & financially able would lend itself to a scenario where one had to be extremely careful in not only measuring leg strength but knowing the depth of chemical dependency & connections of ones competition...

...perhaps cadel was a wise man simply waiting for his chance because he wished to either "use", "use less" or even "not use"...

...i simply wonder...

...with love, bgw...

The same Cadel that the
By: Baptiste Brazeon
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 6:52pm

The same Cadel that the unambiguously selective duo ridiculed for years on this site for not having the manhood to attack fully doped fields?

...i look at...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 6:22pm

..."roadie cadel evans" as compared to the younger "mtb cadel evans" & i'm wondering if the much heavier facial features are simply a product of age or was there perhaps a period of "human growth hormone" usage ???...

...i'd hate to indict the lad on a bad photo or two but i DO honestly wonder & if one supplement was used, were there others ???...

...i'm a half-fan of the little aussie whiner & he's actually been pretty cool since his road world's but i'd like to know the truth...

...searchingly, with love & nothing taken for granted, bgw...

The Real Solution
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 2:02pm

Everyone, and I mean everyone, just comes out and admits they doped. Period. That just puts it all behind and everyone on a level playing-field, and we can just move the hell forward.

le whatever
By: truthiness
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 9:54am

You aren't the slightest bit funny

Yawn
By: Tristan O-Ring
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 9:44am

Sorry, but Toto is looking pretty tame compared to the real stuff lately.

Hilarious!
By: Memory Lane
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 8:53am

This is great. Just yesterday this guy Weltz claims that Hamilton's book is a "little too credible to be a lie" when Riis is being implicated. Once he cracked the book open to find himself implicated the book is suddenly "absurd" and "unbelievable".

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/weltz-denies-hamiltons-claims-of-being-u...

I've changed sides.
By: Le Blaireau
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 8:27am

I've changed sides. Now I'm rooting for Lance to win. Why? Because when I'm older, I expect and want to be wealthy enough to buy myself out of any trouble. And Lance losing sets a bad precedent for us (future) rich guys. So GO LANCE!

Cadel probably was/is clean
By: Brent Bushing
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 7:53am

Cadel probably was/is clean

one more
By: Lukas Post
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 7:17am

...and Museeuw too...in fact, he's says that "everyone" did - no surprise

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12806/Museeuw-admits-doping-was-part-o...

that's Monty..
By: ksdfkljh
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 12:14am

that's Monty..

Manty Python
By: ksdfkljh
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 12:13am

nice one, guys.

oh, by the way...
By: Lukas Post
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 11:18pm

Danielson, Vande Velde and Zabriske...all doped

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-confirms-past-doping-by-daniel...

Contador to Fairway
By: Oderigo Kevlar
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:53pm

Contador to Fairway

...t-boned @ the junction...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:47pm

...kobe beef-pad sez - "...USDA Choice imported T-bone steaks on sale at Fairway for $50,000/yr, plus bonuses...."...

...don't forget your seasoned spices w/ extra clenbuterol...& don't leave those steaks in the frig too long or they'll pick up plasticizer residue...

...ya, spain's "pistol pete" is back at the table today, hungry as ever & christ almighty, that two year sanction hardly seems like 6 months to me but, hey, we know he learned his trade, both the micro-dosing & who's ass to kiss, at the knee of armneel & bruystrong...

...think i gotta buy a copy of hamilton's book 'cuz i gotta feeling it's gonna prove to be THE tome for this era in cycling...

...with a bone to pick, love, bgw...

JV reverts to 4th grade tactics
By: Kobe Brakepad
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 9:23pm

You know he was that kid in grade school who got the shit kicked out of him for being a tattletale.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/vaughters-outs-garmin-riders...

USDA Choice imported T-bone
By: Kobe Brakepad
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 6:41pm

USDA Choice imported T-bone steaks on sale at Fairway for $50,000/yr, plus bonuses.

Just deserts
By: Enzo Skidmark
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 6:23pm

An important thing to remember is that USADA is not just accusing Armstrong of doping, but also of trafficking, aiding/abetting and "aggravating circumstances justifying a period of ineligibility greater than the standard sanction." It's his "ringleader" role that gets him banned for life, not doping. It remains to be seen whether there will be consequences for the others.

Here's a link to the original charging letter:

http://documents.latimes.com/usada-charging-letter-lance-armstrong/

Tygart
By: Memory Lane
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 6:07pm

We'll see how it plays out. Either way Lance appears to be clearly the ringleader and stood the most to gain. Deals get struck in criminal cases all the time, so probably not much different. Definitely doesn't help his case that he's evidently such a pr$ck

Just repeating what I read.
By: Andy Shen
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 5:59pm

Just repeating what I read. Presumably they'd use his testimony to go after Bruyneel, Ferrari, etc. The other riders' identities will probably come out when the case is presented to WADA/UCI.

Tygart
By: Memory Lane
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 5:53pm

so if he had confessed to USADA he would have received no sanctions plus USADA wouldn't have announced that he had confessed in the same way they didn't announce that all those other riders (Vande Velde, Hincapie, Danielson, Zabriskie etc...) had confessed? Somewhow I don't think that was the offer on the table.

According to Tygart LA was
By: Andy Shen
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 5:41pm

According to Tygart LA was given the same opportunity but declined.

Equitable Justice??
By: Memory Lane
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 5:19pm

....not a Lance fan, but it really does seem to be apparent that USADA solely wanted to net Armstrong if all these other riders seem to now be able to freely admit that they doped with no consequences...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-confirms-past-doping-by-daniel...

...witchhunt indeed...
By: bikesoverthemoon
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 4:44pm

...tie cancer jesus to a chair & dunk him in a pond...

...if he sinks, he's innocent but it's up to him to get out...

...if he floats, he's guilty, so now burn him at the stake...

...i know it's harsh & 'old school' but hey, behind the facade, the guy's a dick...

...with matches in hand, love, bgw...

Whats michael cera got to do
By: master Flahute
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 1:08pm

Whats michael cera got to do with this? its epo, not ce,......aaaaah

HHEHEHE
By: MQ
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:31am

pelota. I get it

Interesting, "glow time". I
By: mikeweb
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:30am

Interesting, "glow time".

I remember a past Toto that referenced G.L.O.W. as in gorgeous ladies of wrestling. Can't remember what the hook was though...

trademark clothing
By: Guccio Headbadge
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:05am

Where can we get DCLA (Discraced Cyclist Lanced Armstrong) officially licensed apparel?

Sky
By: Robbe Ziptie
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 10:01am

After Cav and the rest of the men leave, Sky can join the ladies tour.

Poor Froome Dog.

Wiggo
By: Schiatta Headset
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 9:25am

I agree with you about Wiggo. What a douche!

Damnit
By: Lars Post
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 8:24am

I'm really dissappointed with Wiggo

Hand me the matches
By: Dong Work for Yuda
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 2:08am

"I hate these fucking things"

"Divorce"

"Dong work"

"Keep it Greasy"

PATTERNS, PEOPLE, PATTERNS

Here A Dope
By: Xander Rim
Wed, 09/05/2012 - 12:06am

Here a dope there a dope. Everywhere a dope dope. Read Jorg Jaschke story in Sept 4, 2012 http://www.cyclingnews.com : http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/jorg-jaksche-doping-hypocrisy-and-a-...
At least David Moncutie has a long standing reputation for being clean.

It's Michael Cera
By: Helmut Crabon
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 11:38pm

Get it, CERA? And by the way, he really was only 17 in '05.

who is the new guy?
By: Jacopo Seatmast
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 11:29pm

I don't recognize the guy in the middle right. Who is it?

I did all of Lances clinical
By: Doogie Howser
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 10:28pm

I did all of Lances clinical work.

The Eagle looking more like
By: Henjamin Beadbadge
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 10:28pm

The Eagle looking more like Hannibal Lecter.

first!
By: Lance Armstrong
Tue, 09/04/2012 - 10:20pm

suck it haters

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